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 September 13, 2009, 12:51:28 PM
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I don't normally recommend any particular organisation to people who I don't know, but it's easy enough to contact the organisations and ask the questions.
I have a few concerns though, did I understand correctly that your OT won't support your need for a service dog?
You've also said your service dog nipped a child, he sprays inside shopping centres unless he wears a belly band, he panics while working and you're working him without ever having him tested as a service dog?
I've never met your dog so I don't want to judge, but from those things it doesn't sound like he's suitable to be a service dog. You should mention all of those things to whichever organisation you apply to and ask for their professional point of view. If you're accepted, they may be able to meet him and assess him for suitability. With the recent ammendments to disability laws, you will have to be able to prove your dog has suitable behaviour and hygiene standards, and that will be difficult to do without the backing of an organisation. You will also have to prove that your dog is medically necessary, and without the support of a medical professional that will be hard to do.
If you're in a wheelchair, you have a lot of organisations you can apply to for a fully trained service dog and that might be a better way to go. All the organisations I know of require you to have the support of a medical professional when you apply.
I don't mean to sound harsh, but you need to make sure your dog is suitable if you're going to work it in public as a service dog, and unless those standards have been met you probably won't be covered under the new laws.
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September 13, 2009, 01:45:52 PM
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I've contacted 5 organisations that work in Melbourne. One will accredit dogs they haven't trained, they require you to go to the north of the city for their tests and interviews, it's nowhere near trains and even buses don't go that far.
Um, no. She has issues with the form being for a new dog, nowhere in the form does it say it's for accreditation of a personal pet. I did email and ask, and I was told it was the correct form and all of it must be filled out. I told the OT but she still has issues with the language used on the forms.
That was my pet Kelpie, Kaos. He was very unsuitable as a service dog. He was baited into nipping, even the policewoman I spoke to said so. Kaos was desexed AFTER he hit puberty, he needed a few months of retraining, that's all.
Kaos is living with relatives now. I admit, my selection of him to train definately could've used improvement.
I am now training my labxshepherd. Originally I was training him for a young girl. The parents have recently told me that they have received a fully trained dog from an organisation and if they take their pet dog back, they will lose the organisation's dog.
Horse is less then an inch below my hip height, so he's perfect height for balance work with me. He's fine with my 5yr old daughter rubbing the backs of his hind legs and she can open his mouth without him chomping down.
He doesn't urinate on leash at all, probably because he was screamed at for peeing in the house when he was a tiny puppy. He's too good for me to yell at or punish in any way, we're at the stage where he's being praised for peeing in front of me while the leash is dragging. He's not even 2years old yet, but we've mastered being in large crowds, we can safely stroll in supermarkets, he's good with MOST kids and he helps me stand in toilets no matter which side the rail's on.
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September 13, 2009, 09:58:01 PM
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I'm glad to hear you're not working Kaos anymore, I think it's a really good decision considering what you've said about his behaviours. He might be a wonderful pet (as long as he's supervised around kids or kept away from them), but most dogs are just not cut out to be service dogs, and that can be difficult sometimes. I hope it works out with your lab x shepherd, but you will still need to be tested and have a medical professional's support of your need for a service dog before you can be covered under the laws. Otherwise it's just you taking your pet around everywhere and telling people it's a service dog. If you're denied access somewhere you won't be able to challenge it in court either. Honestly if I were in your situation, I'd stop trying to train a string of dogs and just apply to an organisation for one of their dogs that is already trained.  As long as the organisation accepts you, you're pretty much guaranteed a wonderful service dog and you won't have to struggle with training different dogs only to find they aren't suitable, or you can't get the dog accredited. I don't really understand why your OT won't sign the form for a new dog. Do they have a valid reason?
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September 14, 2009, 06:12:58 AM
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The only reason she gave me was this property's lease says 'no pets'. I've checked the laws for this property, legally they can't evict me if I keep pets here. As long as the council knows and my pets are registered, they can't throw me out. Service Dogs don't count as pets. You're able to have a Service Dog in no pets housing. Perhaps you can print the law out and show it to her. I have looked through the laws myself and talked to legal aid. There is NOTHING that says a dog must be accredited by an organisation to be a service dog. I didn't say a dog has to be accredited with an organisation. But you will be required to prove that the dog is trained to meet standards of hygiene and behaviour that are appropriate for an animal in a public place. That's one of the reasons why owner trainers have their dogs do the PAT through an organisation.
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September 14, 2009, 09:58:51 AM
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That is proposed law reform...I'm working with what the law is right now.
I'm taking the AWARE forms to the doctor tomorrow for her to sign.
The law right now says that the dog must be trained to meet standards of hygiene and behaviour that are appropriate for an animal in a public place, as well as trained to alleviate the effects of the person's disability. Good luck, I hope she signs the forms for you.
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